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| Todd Stahr |
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Location: Marquette Michigan |
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 Tuesday, May 6, 2008 08:21 Host: h75-100-233-22.chhmmi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net
I was at Rhein Main from Feb 89 to Oct 91. Worked Fleet Service, mostly the LST during the "fun in the sandbox." I would have to guess that every 141 that was flyable at the time stopped there while I was at work each night. The comfort pallets were a PITA, but the crew lav was easy provided it wasnt frozen. I could service a crew lav in less than two minutes.
Worked ramp in Charleston a couple times after that. Ramp was more fun.
Most Loadmasters were cool, and I got to know a few crews from seeing them so often. I wonder how many people I have met during that time are on here now. I do miss that old plane, but I dont miss loading a 40K on them, and I dont miss any lav on any type..
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| Kendall Wright |
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Location: Fairfield, CA |
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 Monday, May 5, 2008 16:22 Host: c-24-7-111-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
This is great! I was a 141A nav with the 14th and 86th MAS.
H D:
We did fly a couple of times didn't we !
I catch your name around here in the Letters-T-E and such. Good to hear from you and know you're still stiring the pot.
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| Jim George |
| jimgeorge(at)tampabay(dot)rr(dot)com |
Location: United States |
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Flew with the 76th Mas and the 20th Mas at Charleston
chieftd:
Hey Jim, we flew together in the 76th back in the early 80s when you were a captain. We did a two day trip to Florida that turned into a 14 day trip to Japan. It's been many years. Hope all is well. Regards, Tim Driscoll, LM, CMSgt retired
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| Stan Davis |
| stanth6620(at)aol(dot)com |
Location: Frederick, MD. |
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I was a loadmaster in the 3rd MAS at Charleston from '66 to '69.
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| John Apostolides |
| john(dot)apostolides(at)randolph(dot)af(dot)mil |
Location: Randolph AFB, TX |
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This is awesome! I was at Norton AFB (15 MAS) and eventually headed north to McChord (7 AS). While at 21 AF (McGuire AFB) I flew with the 6 AS. Now I am a nav (aka. CSO) flight instructor at Randolph. Retirement is slowly becoming a reality. I will probably stay in San Antonio. Thanks for bringing back some great memories. jba
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| LOOMAS MARSHALL |
| LJMARSHER(at)GMAIL(dot)COM |
Location: SAN BERNARDINO ca |
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 just RAN ACCROSS THE SITE. ENG.AT MCCHORD 124S,141S 1964-1968, WENT TO TURKEY 118S, C54S GERMANY, C-54S, T29S C131S C-47 ALL WITH COL JAMES NEWTON. BACK TO WURTSMITH AS A THREE LEVEL E THEN TWO AND HALF YEARS IN A RECON OUTFIT AT ATHENS GR THEN NORTON 14 MONTHS IN OMS FLT CHIEF THEN BACK TO ALTUS AND LAST YEAR IN THE 15th Sqd. RETIRED NOV 79 MSGT.
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| Robert Morgan |
| newranger519(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: Dallas,Texas |
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Hi everybody, I flew as an engineer from 1986-1990 with the 15th MAS out of Norton! I would love to chat. I would also love to find another squadron coin! Lost mine in a boating accident!
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| john krill |
| kometgoal(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: - |
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the tail 64-0641 was a plane crash tht two navy personnel i had to escort their bodies home to their families, not a great experice believe me, they couldnt open the caskets during the services.
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| Raymond H. Lymous |
| rhlymous(at)gmail(dot)com |
Location: - |
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I was stationed at Norton from 89 to 92. Good time. White Flt Days
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| Bob Gittings |
| bsgitt(at)bellsouth(dot)net |
Location: Lilburn,Ga.(Metro Atl) |
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Found this site several yrs ago. Check back in to watch it cont. to grow. The last 6 yrs of my Dad's 24 yrs in the AF he was a FE with the 30th MAS @ McGuire and 58th MAS @ Robins He always enjoyed crewing the 141 and flying.
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| Chris "Criminal" Caserta |
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Location: Puget Sound |
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 Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:20 Host: c-76-28-137-3.hsd1.wa.comcast.net

Wow, it took a while to get through all 1691 entries, but I see a lot of names of people I know, knew, or heard of. I was a Jet Mech at Travis AFB from ’83 – ‘87, FE at Charleston AFB from ’87 – ’97, and then went to McChord AFB from ’97 until I retired in ’03. Lots of fun and/or scary memories in my 5600 hours, lost some friends, made some history, and had the time of my life in the tube of pain.
Chris:
mainsailmainsail at comcast (dot) net
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| Mike |
| AFretired95(at)comcast(dot)net |
Location: Tampa, Fl |
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Great Site. Hi to all. Was at McGuire AFB from 87 thru 92 as Jet Mech. Was with the 438 FMS jet dispatch. Then in Red section. Will get a picture up as soon as possible. Looking for some of my old friends from McGuire.
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| priorce |
| Greeclose(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: USA |
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This site is really superb!!! Thank you for you work! Good Lucke
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| Eddie Popovitch |
| ejpop1(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: Tucson, AZ |
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Update:
Loadmaster at Charleston 66-68. Loved every working minute on that plane. Never looked at it as a job.
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| Eddie Popovitch |
| ejpop1(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: Tucson, AZ |
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I too live in Tucson and I play golf at Davis Monthan Air Base every once in awhile. There are a couple holes at one end of the course where I can see all the T-Tails lined up and it gives me a great feeling. Doesn't help my game much!
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| John Gibson |
| johnjohnus(at)bellsouth(dot)net |
Location: 217 WT Wyatt Rd. Easley, SC |
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I was an aircraft loadmaster on 5 different aircraft from 1959 to 1974. The two that I miss the most are the C-124 and the C-141. Started flying on the C-124 at Warner Robins and Finished at Langley AFB on the C-130. It took two pilots two engineers one navagator to take me all over the world to load and off load these airplanes. Spent a tour at CCk but spent most of my time in S. viet Nam. A total waste of time.
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| Steve Manning |
| n625sm(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: Rhode Island |
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The First State Starlifter 40625 Dover AFB, Delaware.
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| Steve Manning |
| n625sm(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: RI |
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One of several C-141A's with Nose Art. This is 8088 Golden Bear from Travis, I'm going to add The First State Starlifter from Dover next, I remember the Peach State from Robbins. Please post any photos of other Nose Art.
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| MSgt Kirk W. Mooneyham, Jr. |
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Location: Travis AFB, CA |
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 Friday, April 18, 2008 22:30 Host: proxy01.adab.centaf.af.mil

Hello everyone...well I got my Air Force start on the C-141s at McGuire, May 1990 to October 1993...I started out in the ELEN shop, 438 FMS and then to ELEN backshop, 438 EMS, mostly working ISO dock...I can truthfully say that I had a lot of good times in that shop, and on that aircraft, and the people that maintained it, taught me a LOT about fixing things...but the most important thing the C-141 did for me was get me a WIFE...I met my wife, Twila, on the backline...the ISO team needed someone for a refuel on swingshift because a guy on the team got sick...I volunteered to stand SPR, and the refuel super, John Allen, got tired of Twila and I chitchatting on the interphone, and told me "Son, just ask her out!"...now its 16 great years and 3 children (2 of which are teenagers) later...so, thank you C-141, McGuire AFB, and John Allen (bless you)...I'll never forget where I came from and how I got "raised in MX!
Rich young:
I'll pass that on to John (The big guy) He will get a kick out of this!!!
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| Harry Ferrell |
| harry(at)ferrell(dot)us |
Location: Fairfield, California |
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Great site!!!! I've been visiting the site for about two years but used my bookmark to the stories and pictures pages. I have found some long sought emails here after clicking on the homepage link.
86 ATS (MAS) 1963-1971, 1973-1981
(I believe I was the last navigator)
Retired: 75th MAS, Travis 1984
Ian Macmillan:
Harry: Great to see you here at last and to get your personal email! Looks like you've been lurking almost as long as I have been visiting the site, and I'd certainly have put money on you being one of the last 141 Navs. Also, you must have some Wilton and other memories to add to the Nav discussion pages! Now if Wendell Dutt, Jim Richeal, Dick Szulborski, Elde Woller and many others from the early 70s could reappear, that would be just great!
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C-141 Nav:
Harry, did you do your Nav training at James Connally AFB by any chance? If so, you might want to check out the James Connally Navigators and Observers site at james-connally.org
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Kendall Wright:
Hey, Harry,
Remember our trip to Mildenhall when we stayed in that old carriage house? And the time I brought you Rolling Rock from Dover after you retired?
Ken
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| Paul "Digger" DeGroot |
| loadyc17(at)bellsouth(dot)net |
Location: Charleston, SC |
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Started with the Dirty 30 after tech schools in Jan 1987 and ended at Charleston in Sep 2007.
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| Barry P. Heiser |
| bpheiser(at)gmail(dot)com |
Location: Watsontown Pa. |
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Great site I was a C-130 mech. But I really enjoy reading about the C-141
Barry
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| Ken Bass |
| volthunder(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: Tennessee |
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Crew Chief Charleston AFB 1982-1992 Loved the Area and met some interesting people. I just hated the Job.
Ken:
I almost forgot. Does any one remember David Williams from Charleston AFB? He was a Crew Chief and later cross trained into Flight Engineer. I believe his home state was WI, and he was married to a former load master named Rhonda. Time frame would have been in the late 80's early 90's (92).
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| Ray Alu |
| roadrunner73(at)frontiernet(dot)net |
Location: minnesota |
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 Just dropping in to see if anyone from Charleston Dock Rats (81-83), Sheppard (84-89), or Travis (89-91) has signed in. I shure do miss the old girl.
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| Steve Manning |
| n625sm(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: RI |
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Dover AFB, Delaware 40630 landing. 436 MAW. 1968. This was the middle photo of three of the aircraft making a landing. I got noisy when we took the last photo.
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| Steve Manning |
| n625sm(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: Rhode Island |
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Dover AFB, Delaware. 8078 on the old SAC Ramp. 1970. 8078 and 8079 were LTF Lead The Force.
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| Steve Manning |
| n625sm(at)yahoo(dot)com |
Location: Pawtucket, RI |
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Dover AFB, Delaware 66-70. E-5 7 level. Worked the line for 2 1/2 years with the 436 OMS then worked the 45 and 90 Docks. I was the only one in Dock Maintenance that was engine run qualified and had lots of fun. Got out and got my A&P and just retired from General Aviation. I try to fly my R/C planes at least once a week.
I have alot of photos and will try to post the as much as possible. Thank you for all the great emails. I crewed 40625 the First State Starlifter.
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| Rick Haughian |
| rahfam(at)comcast(dot)net |
Location: Marysville, WA |
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C-141 Lodamaster 4th MAS McChord AFB 1977-1991; 57th AS Altus AFB 1991-1995. Retired in 1995
Rick Haughian:
That is rahfamily not rahfam
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| Ron Delain |
| kx5y(at)alltel(dot)net |
Location: Inman, SC |
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After my retirement in 1998 I knew its days were numbered on my visits to McGuire and Charleston. From 1978-1985, I remember some great people, "Rosie" Feverstein, Larry Thorn, Stanley Livingston, Al Plaks, Mr. Sajous, Mr. Shaeffer, Jerry Hamilton. I remember Mr. Nagel when I first got there. I worked on many a 141 in "Bravo Delta" status lol. I trashed my uniform on postwash lubes, nearly gave myself a concussion with the towbar from a B-5 stand, tasted concrete from getting jacked crossing the rope onto Hotel row from the passenger terminal, Endless 12 hour shifts with no days off, box nasties, got to expedite in Alpha 6 with the "peg-o-meter" for awhile till they kicked me back out onto the line, rag wrenching the engines and brake swivels lol. Loved working the air-evac missions because of the pretty nurses. lol Later taught the crew chief course at Sheppard where Hamilton and I worked again on the 141. Because of the superb people I had the privilege of working with to help keep the 141 flying, it was all good. I had a great time and some great memories. Well done ol' girl, RIP
Carlos Hall:
Ron, I believe that we were at McGuire together in the early 80's. I was working B flt at that time as a "jeep". You really pulled a name out of your hat when you mentioned Al Plaks!
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| SMSgt Doug Bernard |
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Location: 910 AW |
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 Friday, April 4, 2008 23:06 Host: argus.afrc.af.mil
I see a lot of quality people in here from Norton 86-90. Anybody hear from Tony Bixel?
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| Lars Swanson |
| larsvswansonmd(at)netscape(dot)net |
Location: Oshkosh Wisconsin |
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I just wanted to say hi and show my respect for the mighty C 141 and all that love her. I was in in the USAF stationed at Norton AFB from 1985 - 1989. I was a "air cargo specialist" and loaded the C 141 for many years working the night shift getting her ready to take off for the far east run (i forgot the route number).
I searched the site primarily to find some info on the crash that occurred in Feb of 1989 because I knew the load master very well and I was on the plane the day it took off from Norton.
Master Sgt. Bob Wright, Load Master was a great guy and a real roll model for us young airmen. I went on many a TDY with him and he even attended my graduation from NCO training school just 2 weeks before his death (it was well attended as a Medal of Honor recipient was handing out the awards). Tragically, Sgt. Wright died in Feb 1989 in the C 141 accident over Florida. He was truly a great man.
Lars Swanson
Oshkosh WI
Tom Dickerson:
Im believe you refering to the 807 mission. The most important airlift mission of the west coast!
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Lars:
Yes the "mission" number was indeed the 807. It was our main mission for sure. I'm surprised I could ever forget that. I believe we started to load her up around 4:30 am or so. I think she taxied out around 7'ish. I worked the night shift for my entire 4 years and that was my main job. Working the night shift that long turned out to be good trainning for my next carreer as I then went to college (thank you GI bill) and became a Physician. In fact last night I was "on call" and didn't sleep a wink. The military was great trainning for sleep deprivation!
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Tom Dickerson:
The 807 mission ran seven days a week, 365 days a years yet Travis airfreight seemed surprised every time we showed up. Like they were not expecting us.
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Joe DeMark:
The Good Ole PBP-807 The Stars & Stripes run as it was known to most of the Air Crew. It's funny, in the end of my 53rd MAS days, I didn't care for the 807, but now I would give anything to be able to fly the route again, and again.
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Robert Morgan:
Hello, I was one of the engineers on the lead plane that fateful night. I knew some of the crew but the young airman load master on that flt's name eludes me and I had just returned from an 807 trip the prior week with him!
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Lars:
The Davis-Monthan site has a link to an accident that occurred 30 years ago.
The link above mentions Sgt Wright as being involved in a near catastrophe 30 years ago. Search C 141 crash to see the article "Three decades after a near-fatal crash in Richmond, Australia, all living members of the group, one eye witness and family members, reunited for the first time at the 309th Air Maintenance and Regeneration Group (AMARG) at Davis-Monthan Oct. 31 for a memorial service honoring three of their comrades in arms; Veterans Capt. Chester J. Trosky, Jr., aircraft commander, Staff Sgt. Robert E. Wright, Jr., loadmaster, Master Sgt. Roosevelt "Rosie" Williams, loadmaster, and, to say good-bye to the old 'friend', that held their lives at bay that day."There were six officers (two of whom were Air Force Academy graduates) and four enlisted guys. We lost Chet to cancer, Rosie (to a tragic death) and Bob Wright died in a rare C-141 crash. The remaining guys are living pretty successful and comfortable lives.
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| Carlos Hall |
| hallce(at)dot(dot)state(dot)sc(dot)us |
Location: Myrtle Beach, SC |
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Just checking in with all the crew dogs that might be browsing the site. By the way I crossed paths with Jim Church. Some of you might remember him also, he's here at the beach too. I tried to attach a picture.....
Bill Hough:
What's up Los? me and Jim Church started together and wer in the same training class at Charleston back in 1981. We later came to work together in McGuire in 89 when we both ended up there. He is a good guy and I haven't seen him in a long while!
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Carlos Hall:
Bill, what's going on? Hope that you're doing okay. I was stationed in Guam with Jim, when I see him again I'll tell him that you asked about him. Not sure if he's aware of this site but I 'll fill him in. I'm not sure if anyone else remembers me. There has got to be a lot of crew dogs out there that do. Has anyone heard from John Montalbano or John Scates. What about any crew chiefs from the C141 days at McGuire AFB?
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Ron Delain:
Hey Carlos, I remember you. At the time, I think you lived in NYC and you always went home on weekends. McGuire was a ghost town the weekends cuz it seemed like EVERYBODY went home on the weekend. Plaks and I used to hang out. He was actually a pretty funny guy with that wiry red hair lol I wonder if Stanley Livingston is on here anywhere? I've been looking for him. I'd say that snowy 141 pic was from the winter of 77-78
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Carlos Hall:
Ron, yes I remember Al. We played b-ball on the squadron team together. That's a picture of the C141 that taxied into the snow bank at Goosebay, Lab. You should recognize a few names on this site.
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Pat Deister:
Hi,Carlos.
I have a picture of you, Bill and I standing in front of a sign that say's Kuwait International Airport.
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Carlos Hall:
Pat,
Sorry, I've never been there. Must be someone else. Has anyone heard from or seen John (Monty) Montalbano, Lenny Allen or Nick Paglia, John Scates?
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Fred Garrison:
It sure is nice to hear all you guys are still wiggling.
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| Frank Todero |
| Frank(at)RNHSpring(dot)com |
Location: Howell, NJ |
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Hey Lomerson, I was a crew cheif as you know at McGoo from 76-80 I remember all of those guys, we were tight in C flight, Im new at this sight so I dont even know if you will see this, if you do, drop me an email, or any one of the others that were there then.. talk to you later,
Frank Todero
MIchael Lomerson:
HI Frank I sent you an Email and some photos. I remember almost everyone by name. Cflight was special. Cladious Watts the Third followed me out to Norton and later became a 4 star General. He promoted me to Sgt after one of those below the zone meetings. WE had another name less flattering for the promotion interview. Take care Mike
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| Richard Knaus, GySgt, USMC |
| richard1452(at)hotmail(dot)com |
Location: Chicago, IL |
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 Gotta love the venerable C-141 Starlifter. As a Marine I went all over the world on that plane. SW Asia, Europe, Asia, USA. The airforce crews were always good hosts. Got to sit in the cockpit on occasion. I tip my hat to the 141 and it's aircrew. How many lives have been touched by that aircraft? And how much for good, MEDEVAC, disaster relief, humanitarian aid. God Bless America and the aircraft. When there is a disaster anywhere in the world, the world knows they can count on the USA. If there were not a great military as ours who would have those planes to aid in so many missions of mercy.
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| Tom Jones |
| STPATKLDAD(at)AOL(dot)COM |
Location: Branson, MO |
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Continued....... I'm origionally from NY. Served at McGuire 1967-1970. I'll never forget the 1st C-141A to arrive at McGuire. We couldn't get over the size of the cockpit compared to the C-135's we had been working on. It was like stepping into the Enterprise & expecting Capt. Kirk to be there.
Back then we were the 612OMS but around 1969 they renamed us the 438OMS. Guess because we were under the 438MAW.
I remember when a new 141 would would get assigned to our base. The 1st time it landed, the ground crew would pop the cowling and remove the Pratt & Whittney metal insigna from each of the engines for a souvenir.  Now; who would do a thing like that??????
My fondest memories were the Junction Runs I got to go on from time to time. I learned more jumping from country to country then I did in the school history books. Back 40 years ago, many countries were still living in ancient times. Many a trips I wanted to get on my hands & knees and kiss ol' mother earth when we got back home.
Crewing a C-141 was one of the best times in my life. I would do anything to be able to sit in that cockpit again. I loved my job. The guys who I worked with & flew with were the best.
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| Tom Jones |
| STPATKLDAD(at)AOL(dot)COM |
Location: Branson, MO |
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Served 1967-1970... Stationed at McGuire. Crew Chief of C -141 66-7954
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| Bill Steinman |
| sue_steinman(at)msn(dot)com |
Location: Hopkins Minnesota |
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I worked at Mcguire 438th OMS Iso dock and flightline from 85'-89' I never at the time thought I would say this but that was some of the funnest times of my life. Does anybody remember that bar outside of the gate at McGuire called the satellite lounge I think? They were open till' 6 am. Many a nights/mornings there with good friends
Don Cook (#275 & 1407):
I can't place your face, but your name sounded familiar. Turns out you wrote my 2nd APR back in '89... endorsed by George Grabbenstetter. I left McGuire in 2003... the Satellite Lounge was abandoned and the parking lot was overgrown when I left. A few other places from your era that have vanished: Bill and Irv's (Skrvy Irv's) and Vito's cheesesteaks.
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| Charles Ford |
| bcs0506(at)aol(dot)com |
Location: Maryville,TN |
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I was stationed at Mc Guire AFB (active and ANG) from Jan 1984-Nov 1994. I've flown all over the world on the C-141. Lots of fond memories.
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| SSgt mike howell |
| dansash(at)comcast(dot)net |
Location: georgia |
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Stationed at Norton AFB 1978-1982. Charleston AFB 1982-1986.
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| William Rodriguez |
| wmrodz(at)comcast(dot)net |
Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida |
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Great Site. Sure miss the C-141's. I was assigned to 610 MASS, Yokota AB, Japan from 1975-78 Enroute Maint. 438 OMS McGuire from 1978-81 Iso Dock 50. 316 OMS, Yokota AB, Japan Enroute Expeditor. 1981-85. 436 FMS Dover, Delaware 1984-88, relocated to McGuire working 438 AGS (Red AMU), Production Supv.,438 LGS Maintenance Control.
Mike Masterson:
Good to hear from you Willie, next time I head to Miami we need to hook up :-)
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Angelo Correa:
Willie,
Long time no see! This is Angelo Correa AR Shop/Dover De 1982-1985. Good to see your face. C-141's at Travis, then KC-10's Barksdale / McGuire. Retired in 02'; Boeing & Flight Safety at McGuire for KC-10 Simulators
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